Quote from lalathegreat :

I can see where others are coming from. Playing LFS for a year now and i thought it would of been alot further along than it is. yea they where 30 test patches but most of them seem to correct bugs and trivial stuff. the fact that the devs don't really say what there working on there site dosent help. I guess most are just fustrated because they know LFS has alot of potencial and it dosent seem to be fulfilling it.

You're a Nazi !

Can we lock this Thread now?

Somebody lock this Thread

Saying the most popular Online Simulation is dead is bull

Quote from Nunes :

LFS is dead???

How is it "dead", when it has the most Online Drivers of any Racing Simulation in the World? Check the Multiplayer Mode, there are more drivers online then in NR2003, GTR2, rFactor, netkarPro or GPL threwout the day.

Except for certain times when the Americans go Online with NR2003 (then there are about 400 NASCAR drivers online at times where most of the rest of the World is sleeping) But except for that, most of the day LFS is the most bisy and alive place to Sim Race with.

Add to that, that this product is growing constantly while already beeing the most populated Online Race Sim, so how you can ask if its dead is beyond me

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Wed 13 Dec 2006, 00:42.

Quote from Gunn :

It is even more effective using a button clutch in LFS currently.

:shhh:

Can you be more specific about what you want exactly? Do you want Infos like Tire Temp or RPMs or laptimes displayed on a second Display?

Here is somebody in German using the G15 that can show him live all valuable Information from LFS on his G15.

Look at the little Monitor next to the Steering Wheel, it gives the driver live information about everything he would like to know

http://www.virtual-racingcockpit.com/images/rig_2.jpg

Here is how RPM is getting displayed on a G15, this works with LFS, GTR2, GTL...

http://www.kamelstall.de/G15OutGauge.wmv

Last edited by SamH, Tue 12 Dec 2006, 07:45. Reason : Inline image too large for typical screen resolutions

Cant see "lalathegreat" saying anywhere that he doesnt like LFS

Regarding Tracks runned Online that always depends on what the majority wants and says nothing about the quality of the Tracks.

In NR03 there is a amazingly good Watkins Glen, Spa, Magny Cours, Suzuka or Indianapolis but what is runned online most of the Time? Talladega and Daytona. Because thats what the Majority wants, not because there better tracks

I was driving Gran Turismo since its first release, I have played GT4 for a month, what has really put me off was not the stupid AI, or the lack of a cockpit view...

The loading times between the Menus and the dozen times you have to answer that damn question "Do you really want to do that?"

Alot of time is spended just jumping threw the menus and waiting for the loading times, you have to navigate threw a Mess of User interface until you get to where you wanted, answering on pathetic questions, that annoying waiting times finally made me quit driving GT4. It is to much navigating threw the Menus, and a too simplified Physic Engine, the World has moved on since Gran Turismo 2. But the GT Series has not much.

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Wed 6 Dec 2006, 11:14.

Quote from lalathegreat :

Where are you getting this infomation from, Have u looked at the source code? for [GT4]; regardless, its dumb to think that the developers would rather Move the whole Track Data And all Sprites instead Of the 6 or so cars.

GT4 Is a sim as is forza, Problem is they are what i call low precision sims. They may not simmulate certain parts [Tire Temprerature] which affects the whole sim as a whole, but its only when u really push the sim the short commings arise.

Considering the the hardware Gt4 is on, its a Excelent job of a sim.[Remember ps2 was designed in late 90es] And they somehow got 1080i our of it

To the original poster i suppose u can use this statemeant from the creator

"To be honest, I can't really say the [original PlayStation] or the PlayStation 2 were able to sufficiently represent the realistically modeled physical world we wanted [in previous Gran Turismo games]," Yamauchi said. "With the PS3, we will be able to perform true physical modeling for the first time."

No I did not look into the source code, but most Racing Games, a few Simulations excluded indeed move the track around the car + the car dont follow the front wheels, it turns by the center height axis of itself. Racing Games are programmed that way since the 80s. There are only few Software Simulations (like LFS) where the car is moving in a comprehensible way.

Quote from wsinda :

Sounds a lot like the AI in LFS...

So what? LFS doesnt need to have an AI in the first place, it is the most popular Online Racing Simulation in the World and AI is not missed.

While in GT4 the Games Concept is to Race the AI, earn money and buy things. So the AI is a important part of this story, it is truly pathetic to Race the AI in GT4 when they are not even aware of you at all.

It's all in your mind

How much upstream is needed to host a full grid Race by the way?

GT4 is indeed a very nice Racing Game. When you have a wheel, switch off the driving Aids and use Normal Road Tyres in the Setup the movements of the car seem quite authentic and would have been called a Simulation if it would have been released for the PC in the mid-90s.

But the driving physics and the whole environment are years behind any modern PC Simulation. And its not only driving physics, its Multiplayer, its Sound, its accurate Graphics, AI, its Replay Mode...

Try to drive a Race in GT4 from the 6th Place and work your way to the front. Doing that realisticly without contacts with the AI cars is impossible. They will ram you. It's annoying racing the AI when they do not see you at all.

In LFS, netkarPro or NR2003 you drive a simulated dynamic vehicle around a static track.

In Gran Turismo you steer the track around the car. This Simulation method from the 80s is still used on console type Race Games. You do not really steer the car, you drive the track around the car. The car is static.

Also, the cars in console games like Forza or Gran Turismo do turn around not by the direction of the front wheels, but by the middle height axis of the car.

There is no tyre on the road simulation, after you have steered the corner to the car, the car turns around the corner by the Axes of its height, not by the direction of the front wheels. This is specially seeable in the Replays were cars turn around sharp corners in a very odd way, they turn by there height-axes, not because of the direction there front tyres are looking.

This 80s Racing Game style programming is still beeing used thats why Hardcore Simulator Fans and Racing Schools cannot be bothered to buy several 1000 Dollars worth of Steering Wheel, Pedals or H-Shifter for a Game like Gran Turismo 4. The car simulation is so basic and simplified that it wouldnt make much sense, so they run there Simulator on complex car Simulations.

Comparing that with Simulations like LFS where even tyre flexing gets simulated, or NR2003 where the developers had inside information from Goodyear about the behaviour of Race tyres and track accuracy where even the real drivers practise with it, is pointless.

GT4 is a very good Racing Game, perhaps the best on consoles. LFS is the most popular Online Racing Simulation in the World.

They are both awesome in there own way.

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Sun 3 Dec 2006, 16:33.

Is there some sort of printable button commands card for LFS like there is for Flight Sims? You know that thing your put over the keyboard to know what all buttons do during Racing or watching a Replay

Are you sure WOZ 1,0 is linear and 0 is not linear? I have a Black Logi MOMO

Quote from rayhuang :

I got a question....I am still not putting a lot of time on LFS, but I am down to 1:14 with mouse with the FOX at BW. Thats 7 seconds off the WR, but I know I can shave 2 seconds with my wheel and pedal and more w/ practice.

What laptimes are guys running with FOX's in serious online series races and/or how far off WR times from tracks?

Yesterday I had couple of Races with a guy named BiGSexy (spell.?) from Hungary and he drove 1:07 times constantly.

Could we please get some F08 Racing going on on Redline Server?

Would pay for a Nurburgring Nordschleife and Spa.

How much does these track licenses cost? Is there anyway to know?

+1

Thanks alot

I find the chat sounds and especially the sound that appear very loud when someone is joining the server or leaving the tracks, I have the game sounds rather high on volume so whenever the lound "click" comes from the chat message its very annoying.
What files do I have to delete?

Quote from 510N3D :

Damn im not sure what it is but you might consider an Incompatibility between these two Wheels. It is possible to have two Devices connected at same Time, i had a Logitech Momo Force Racing as the main Wheel and a Microsoft Sidewinder FF as second device for Clutch only and it worked perfect.

So well, maybe someone else has a clue?

*bump* :Kick_Can_

In the Gameport screen of windows I have 3 things connected, Act Labs MOMO and Thrust, they work in NR03 and GPL.

When I play LFS now I only do in the Formula cars and disconnect the Thrust Wheel, its the only way to drive now LFS until I get a new set of pedals someday it seems

If I use combined axis on the second wheel the clutch pedal does not fully work and moves the axis only half of the way.

Yes both wheels work and I regularly drive NR03 with them and GPL.

Thanks for your Reply.

I have started LFS now with the Logitech Wingman Profiler, and the Thrustmapper Profiler, they are both setted up as split axis but still there is no axis showing the brake pedal of the MOMO Wheel in the Options Calibration Screen.

Hello!

For some time now I have a problem connecting my brake pedal in LFS, it doesnt get recognised in the Options. All other Sims work.

I have a special setup connected, I use the MOMO Racing Wheel and pedals, and also have a Thrustmaster Wheel connected where I use the Throttle Pedal only as my clutch pedal. I do have a Act Labs H Shifter connected as well as Track IR on the USBs. Everything gets "seen" in the LFS Options controller Axis bar, even with those two Steering Wheels, but 1 out of 4 Pedals does not have a Axis in LFS. And that is unfortunately not the 4th Pedal which I dont need, but the Pedal I use as the clutch. What could work?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Ah! OK. I'll give it a proper try when I get a spare weekend (probably some time in January ). With the default set the car (I think I picked the Lotus - are they all noticably different?) felt like a boat, it just understeered all day. I could just about muster power oversteer if I tried really hard, but pushing it that hard made it impossible to catch...

All cars powers and difference is based on there real counterparts. A Ferrari feels totally different than a Honda.

The Lotus was the most powerful car in 1967. It takes experience and knowledge of the track pushing this car.

You should start out in the Cooper or the Brabham, and slowly try to get into it, these are old cars without downforce so you have to be patient learning how the car needs to be treated before starting to push it.

Try to avoid drifting, and be smooth with it, and hours of practise which is exciting in those beautiful cars. And you eventually will be able to go around Watkins Glen in less then 1 min 10 sec. A very rewarding feeling to master that Formula car without wings.

If you want to learn easier the behaviour of those types of cars you might want to start in the Trainer cars there are in the Training Mode these cars are Formula Cars with lesser Power, like F3. Be Patient the tracks of 1967 were very challenging.

If anybody want to try out GPL. You can get the Demo at bhmotorsports.com

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Fri 24 Nov 2006, 17:35.