If I use combined axis on the second wheel the clutch pedal does not fully work and moves the axis only half of the way.

Yes both wheels work and I regularly drive NR03 with them and GPL.

Thanks for your Reply.

I have started LFS now with the Logitech Wingman Profiler, and the Thrustmapper Profiler, they are both setted up as split axis but still there is no axis showing the brake pedal of the MOMO Wheel in the Options Calibration Screen.

Hello!

For some time now I have a problem connecting my brake pedal in LFS, it doesnt get recognised in the Options. All other Sims work.

I have a special setup connected, I use the MOMO Racing Wheel and pedals, and also have a Thrustmaster Wheel connected where I use the Throttle Pedal only as my clutch pedal. I do have a Act Labs H Shifter connected as well as Track IR on the USBs. Everything gets "seen" in the LFS Options controller Axis bar, even with those two Steering Wheels, but 1 out of 4 Pedals does not have a Axis in LFS. And that is unfortunately not the 4th Pedal which I dont need, but the Pedal I use as the clutch. What could work?

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Ah! OK. I'll give it a proper try when I get a spare weekend (probably some time in January ). With the default set the car (I think I picked the Lotus - are they all noticably different?) felt like a boat, it just understeered all day. I could just about muster power oversteer if I tried really hard, but pushing it that hard made it impossible to catch...

All cars powers and difference is based on there real counterparts. A Ferrari feels totally different than a Honda.

The Lotus was the most powerful car in 1967. It takes experience and knowledge of the track pushing this car.

You should start out in the Cooper or the Brabham, and slowly try to get into it, these are old cars without downforce so you have to be patient learning how the car needs to be treated before starting to push it.

Try to avoid drifting, and be smooth with it, and hours of practise which is exciting in those beautiful cars. And you eventually will be able to go around Watkins Glen in less then 1 min 10 sec. A very rewarding feeling to master that Formula car without wings.

If you want to learn easier the behaviour of those types of cars you might want to start in the Trainer cars there are in the Training Mode these cars are Formula Cars with lesser Power, like F3. Be Patient the tracks of 1967 were very challenging.

If anybody want to try out GPL. You can get the Demo at bhmotorsports.com

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Fri 24 Nov 2006, 17:35.

Quote from Alkanphel :

Haha... this ruins my impression of an F1 car, thought that they shuld be super-fast and super-kool (im being stupidly childish here). V8 looks like an f1 car from the 80s hehe

It's Power to Weight Ratio would put it close to a 1983 Formula one car. When Nelson Piquet won the titel infront of Alain Prost.

Lauda with a V8, 510 hp on 540kg

It sounds like your issue is oversteer when exiting the corner.

Gearing Ratios can solve this. The cars quaracter is not set in stone. You can set it up to meet your likings and your driving style. If you have a more aggressive driving style, you need a car that is stable and that gives you confidence in the middle of the corner to smash the throttle and not spin out.

You can drive aggresively and smash the throttle in the F08, but you cant do so if your Gearbox allows wheel spin exiting the corner. It's a Setup issue to have a car that allows for aggressive driving. You need to setup the car to that way that you dont have to be concerned about wheel spin when your in the corner.
If the car is setted up to meet your likings than you do not have to worry about stability, and you can concentrate on attacking the track.

You may also want to raise the rear Wing.

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Fri 24 Nov 2006, 09:03.

Quote from B0mberMan :

... definetly, NOTHING CAN BEAT LFS!!!

GTR2 has great graphics and some refined details, but ..it just does NOT feel the same.

Even the "simulation" mode. I have tried all possible realism and control adjustement settings, still something is just "missing"... looks like they have spent a lot on making the visual part, but the real physics simulation is totally missing, you can feel it especially when you get your car to wreck.. the collision situations are TRIGGERED and cheaply PRE-SCRIPTED. (they used that oldschool gaming programming method...) feels so mid 90's !..

..seen those faker 3d-solid tyres on the side tracks? a shame for a 2006 game ! bwhaha...

So far, LFS has the BEST PHYSICS EVER, the BEST dynamics ever and the best feel of simulation ever!!

HEIL LFS!!
LONG LIVE TO LFS!!
LFS FOR EVER !!

I totally agree with B0mberMan. ISI's and GTR2s Physic Engine seem like still in the Mid-90s, compared to LFS, NR2003 or netkarPro.

The Graphics and the Sound are so Great and it's a shame really, I try to like it, and the Sound is just amazing, but the Physics always put me off. The General Physics of the cars are so simplified, it's annoying and feels like a Racing Game from 10 years ago.

Quote from B0mberMan :

HEIL LFS!!

Dont say that. We have buried that word. Thank you and have a nice day :sheep:

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Thu 23 Nov 2006, 07:04.

:iagree:

Quote from Primoz :

Sex on wheels, yes. :>

+1

Or how about putting Metallicas Load in

"Gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire, uh

Fuel is pumping engines
Burning hard
Loose and clean

Oh, and I burn
Turning my direction
Quench my thirst with gasoline............ la lala

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Wed 22 Nov 2006, 13:34.

I think its not possible to clearly make the line between Amateurs and Professionels when it comes to Motorsport.

In football there are players at your local little club who get payed and call themselfs proudly a Professionell.

As JJ72 pointed out, Michael Schumacher like the majority of F1 drivers had to pay to drive. So he was no Pro when he arrived in F1? Make no mistake about it of course he was already, even tho he had to pay to drive.

In the smaller Formula Series drivers sell there last shirt to finance there Racing, some go deeply into debt until they find out there is no place for them in Motorsport. Not because there not talented but because Teams like drivers who pay the most.

Thats the ugly site of Motorsport. But the distinction between a Professionell and a Amateur is blurried in this Sport.

Thx Marsaz

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Wed 22 Nov 2006, 11:01.

Karts would be nice

yes Vain some kind of "Spectator View" would be nice

Quote from VIP :

So if the car is so easy to drive as you are saying, tell me why people do not use it online. Give me a reason for this.

Its not "easy". It is challenging. Too challenging for some it seems, but that is not the fault of the car . It is not supposed to be easy. Heck this car has 460 hp. Did you ever drove something with 460 hp on 600kg ? Do you know how much power this is on the rear wheels?

2 years ago I had a Ride in a Group C Le Mans Car, I was not driving, was just passenger, but man was this car a beast. It had 300 hp on 650 kg. If you never drove with something that is close to its power to weight ratio of the Formula V8 car, dont even think that its supposed to be easy.

Maybe, thats the reason why the majority do not drive this car, its not easy to jump in and just have a Race, unlike the smaller cars, but its not supposed to be easy anyway.

Quote from VIP :

A F3000 car should be very popular in a racing game. It's not in LFS, so something might be wrong with it. The last patch made it easier to drive but not enough to make people change their minds, I suppose. I almost never see servers racing the FV8, and when I see it there are only two or three players.

There is a Motorsport school in Austria named "Leitgeb Motorsport", it offers you to drive Formula cars in Hungary and I was there doing it.

We were at the Pannoniaring which is a beautiful Race track with elevation changes close to the Hungary-Austrian Border.

There were around 50 people, normal people with no prior Motorsport experience, just your average indoor Go Kart riders who, for the first time in there life had the chance to drive in a Formula 3000 car.

And these people are not poor, they are Sports Fan, and the cars of these people included types like Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Porsche so these people drove powerful cars in there private lifes.

They paid 1000 Euro to be allowed to drive 5 or 6 laps in a real Formula 3000 car (V8).
Here are some of the rules:

- If you crash the car you have to pay every part of the car that is destroyed and the cleaning (Formula car parts cost up to several thousand Euros)

- If you only spin the car once, you have to immediately go back to the pits and get out of the car, there is no refund in that case.

WITH THAT IN MIND there were People spinning the F3000 car on there first bloody lap !!

There was even one guy who drove out of the Pits and spinned the car coming out of the second corner! So he payed 1000 Euro and drove only a couple of hundred meters with it, he also thought he could push the car like he pushes his real life Porsche, the problem is his Porsche has

320 hp on 1500 kg

but the Formula 3000 car has

460 hp on 600 kg

If you only drove Porsche and Jaguars in your real life before, the F3000 feels like your sitting on a Rocket. Thats why a about a third of these 50 guys who sat in a F3000 car for the first time could not complete the 6 laps. Half of them spinned out the car coming out of the corner, or drove into the gravel and had to pay.

But Man I can assure you, everybody who climbed out of the F3000 car was totally amazed and in disbelief about the rude Power that car has.

People were jittering from the experience.

The training day included a Ride in a F2000 car and then a jump into the F3000 car, people were saying the 2 cars are a World of a difference.
460 hp on 600 kg, if you think thats supposed to be easy to drive, your mistaken. And I hope that you also will be able to one day have a Ride in a Formula car, so you can see for yourself how much rude Power this thing generates.

Quote from VIP :

In my opinion the risk of spinning when reaccelerating is exaggerated and unrealistic. I'm not a professional driver, and who am I to tell the developers how the game cars should behave, but I don't think we have something similar to what happens with F-3, GP2, F-Renault, F-Vauxhall, whatever cars. We don't see those guys spinning that much although they are inexperienced rookies driving low tech cars.

If you watch a F3, GP2, F-Renault or 'whatever cars' you see all drivers spinning out every now and then.
Do you think Schumacher, Alonso or any driver in this world could spend a season in any of these cars and never spin it? If you search for the limit in any of these Powerful cars you will be over the limit sometimes, spinning in a Formula car is just normal, and it happened to the Greatest as well as to the unexperienced.

Dont think that because a Formula 2000 car is the slowest Formula car in the line up that it is in any way slow. I have driven that car in real life, the car outruns a Ferrari Road car. And thats 180 hp on 500 kg "only"

Quote from VIP :

I repeat: Formula V8 is practically dead to online races. And it's a real shame. The car is fun for driving some slow laps in single mode but too difficult and "sensitive" for wheel to wheel battles online.

Which is not the fault of the car for Gods sake. Is this a Simulator or should each car be programmed to win a Popularity contest?

These cars are not supposed to be easy, and they are indeed sensitive, that would be the first thing you would say when you climb out of the F3000 car in real life. I have seen the people climbing out of these cars, they are amazed, excited, afraid, shocked, in disbelief are the words that describe it.

Could you describe what is your specific problem with the handling of the Formula V8 car in LFS? Maybe we can give you tips how to keep the car on track and drive smoothly. First Tip is: Change your Gearing Ratio, and then practise you will see if you practise a little bit with a easy to drive setup you will be able to drive constantly and several hundred laps without losing the car. It needs a little patience, driving skill and practise.

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Wed 22 Nov 2006, 07:22.

I would like to see cameras on the car to jiggle a little bit when the car gets faster.

It would make a nice realistic effect in Replay Mode

The Formula V8 is one of the finest cars in the LFS Garage. It reminds me of old F1 cars which were not full of bloody electronics.

Depends on how the simulated car is supposed to be driven. Formula cars I use 2 pedals, everything else 3 pedals

I occasionally go with the left foot on the brake and stabilise the car under heavy braking or in critical situations. Other than that, God has gave us a left foot and that belongs to the clutch pedal

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Tue 21 Nov 2006, 18:05.

Quote from Rappa Z :

In fact, do you need mods? There are about 858 combos in LFS, when you get good lap times on ALLthe combos you should consider mods. There are too many combos not tried. You could feel like you were in a mod if you tried a new combo every now and then.-1

Absolutely.

-1 for car mods

sorry Panda but 3rd Party car Modding drops the overall quality of a Sim, and we have so much quality cars and quality tracks and new cars and new tracks added that I hope LFS will not be hacked or modded ever. Theres just no need for that, we have enough car-track combos who are quality stuff. And theres more to come with approved quality so please no modding

I dont think theres any point or way in calculating how much they "might" have earned.

But its still interesting to know how many people "we are". Estimated guesses for Grand Prix Legends say around 40000 - 60000 have buyed the Sim. And that Sim was considered a failure financially as it could not live up to its expectations and quality. There are number of reasons for this in Grand Prix Legends... But hundreds of leagues came out and the Sim was constantly improved by the community because those who buyed it were committed to it for years.
It appears the Live for Speed community is just as big or close to as big as the Grand Prix Legends community was at about the end of 2000. Now I would consider LFS has more drivers than GPL. But GPL is also 8 years old.

Maybe GTR got the biggest driver Pool in all Racing Simulations at the moment

Bob Smith nice Avatar

Last edited by George Kuyumji, Tue 21 Nov 2006, 06:20.

Find a other setup perhaps?

I wish there would be a FIXED real life kind of setup at Servers hosting LX Races. It would represent those cars better, produces better Racing

how many upstream is recommended to host a full grid?

Our Bodies would need to be wired with the Game so LFS can send us Electro Shocks to the parts of our bodies who got hurt in the Crash. Resulting in real life pain and injuries.

You think thats Bull?

Lets talk about it again in the year 2020

Quote from thisnameistaken :

"Why do you keep asking me that? Does it really suck?"

:ices_rofl

hmm what to pick????

Simulation Realism creates enjoyment- I go with both

Hopefully it will some day in the future